Evidently they need to be frosted on. At least we went to get more apples and there were still sarvice berries and we got more of those too and they are sweeter, milder, and the seeds seem softer. The trees have lost all their leaves on the branches with berries so that the harvesting is easier too . . . at least with two people -- one to hold the bag and one to milk the berries (and I don't mean that literally, that's just the motion). The berries are still among the most beautiful things I've ever seen.