tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post116494111995809976..comments2023-09-01T05:13:19.649-04:00Comments on the Contrary Goddess: Off the Farm & UnschoolingCGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04542303804886924280noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165867202878015812006-12-11T15:00:00.000-05:002006-12-11T15:00:00.000-05:00in case anyone is still here, here's a great link ...in case anyone is still here, here's a great link -- I have this guy linked on my sidebar but this is to a specific entry by him on unschooling.<BR/><BR/>http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2006/02/case-for-unschooling.htmlCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04542303804886924280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165793120438804572006-12-10T18:25:00.000-05:002006-12-10T18:25:00.000-05:00Thanks friends, I think you were all very nice and...Thanks friends, I think you were all very nice and very articulate.CGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04542303804886924280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165678402036321082006-12-09T10:33:00.000-05:002006-12-09T10:33:00.000-05:00I thought it was a pretty good Freudian slip mysel...I thought it was a pretty good Freudian slip myself.<BR/><BR/>This could perhaps be a post, but ever since the tirade over there, I've been thinking, where did I learn this (or that), and also about what is a complete education. Splitting a big knotty piece of oak yesterday, I thought a complete education must include how to get a stuck ax unstuck, and also the strength to get it stuck to begin CGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04542303804886924280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165676904176970522006-12-09T10:08:00.000-05:002006-12-09T10:08:00.000-05:00i just wanted to say that when i typed above...sus...i just wanted to say that when i typed above...susan gets "naive"...i was not trying to be cheeky (i know because i usually am it could have been taken that way:::::grin:::::::::)...but seriously that is what i always thought it was...i recently noticed when i pulled up her blog that it was actually "native"...for some reason when i look at those blue letters above, i just didn't see the "t"...laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17219928545078883437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165464305291560842006-12-06T23:05:00.000-05:002006-12-06T23:05:00.000-05:00Wow, cowardice, indeed.Wow, cowardice, indeed.CGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04542303804886924280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165456669130620972006-12-06T20:57:00.000-05:002006-12-06T20:57:00.000-05:00Wow. Bile, indeed.Wow. Bile, indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165333107798112052006-12-05T10:38:00.000-05:002006-12-05T10:38:00.000-05:00It is interesting to me that you so personalize El...It is interesting to me that you so personalize Eleu's remarks.<BR/><BR/>There will be no professor to disect it for you, but if you want to get into some deep philosophy, let me direct you to Eleu's own blog. Philosophy ought to challenge one, and I think Eleu's has already challenged your comfortable view of yourself.<BR/><BR/>Likewise, no ill will Susan.CGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04542303804886924280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165331137737826992006-12-05T10:05:00.000-05:002006-12-05T10:05:00.000-05:00Quexalcote:" I was also in that system myself"I wa...Quexalcote:" I was also in that system myself"<BR/><BR/>I was too. I was a "professional" educator for many years. But as Maya Angilou said, "When you knew better, you did better."<BR/><BR/>This is an important point, Susan. Look over the comments of your readers. They are full of unfounded assumptions about unchsoolers, homeschoolers, and education in general. Look at the underlying Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165307451594550282006-12-05T03:30:00.000-05:002006-12-05T03:30:00.000-05:00Susan-I'm obviously not speaking for CG here, but ...Susan-<BR/><BR/>I'm obviously not speaking for CG here, but one very important difference between the choice you have made and the choice that CG has made is that CG's choice doesn't suck any money out of anyone's wallet. And that, combined with the fact that I see the actual results of what educationists do every day in the form of self-centered people who never seem to have read a book, heard David Houserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17763800393498414157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165295373803456002006-12-05T00:09:00.000-05:002006-12-05T00:09:00.000-05:00Acceptance is the experience of a situation withou...Acceptance is the experience of a situation without an intention to change that situation. (Also known as disambiguation)<BR/>****<BR/><BR/>I do not speak for my readers. I can speak only for myself. My intentions on this blog were to hand over a bit of goodwill and maybe learn something about what I didn't know. Not ONCE did I call anyone a derogatory name ( you called YOURSELVES rabid Susan Gets Nativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00216170589750418861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165283111366572012006-12-04T20:45:00.000-05:002006-12-04T20:45:00.000-05:00Thanks to CG and Quexalcote I put down the tea bef...Thanks to CG and Quexalcote I put down the tea before I went over to Susan's blog and read the comments.<BR/><BR/>Good thing too. I haven't laughed so hard in months.<BR/><BR/>The bit about having to support the likes of us backwoods unschoolers in our, ahem, "retirement" was rich. People who work in government schools get their paycheck from where? Right, boys and girls, the GOVERNMENT. ItAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165272478617148032006-12-04T17:47:00.000-05:002006-12-04T17:47:00.000-05:00ok quexalcote, you have to come and clean off my c...ok quexalcote, you have to come and clean off my computer screen. I laughed so hard and the milk (that I milked) flew all over the screen. We happen to be having potatoes for supper tonight.CGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04542303804886924280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165266915382365722006-12-04T16:15:00.000-05:002006-12-04T16:15:00.000-05:00I wanted to leave a comment on the other blog, but...I wanted to leave a comment on the other blog, but where do you start with wisdom like this floating around:<BR/><BR/> "Growing you own potatoes will not help you in retirement. Ladies and Gentleman meet the next generation that we will... have to support ... just seems to be the lazy way out of the real world)." ?<BR/><BR/>I guess one shouldn't expect too much from "educators".David Houserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17763800393498414157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165252004430507542006-12-04T12:06:00.000-05:002006-12-04T12:06:00.000-05:00And I'm a self-proclaimed cowgirl!You know, I had ...And I'm a self-proclaimed cowgirl!<BR/><BR/>You know, I had thought, when she made the comment "I think you are doing a good job with your children" -- my thought was, damn girl, you are a blogger, what the hell do you know? I mean, that people would allow someone else (Eleu in this case, toward Susan) to define them . . . gosh, got to say that's the epitomy of needing the approval of others CGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04542303804886924280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165249616913253252006-12-04T11:26:00.000-05:002006-12-04T11:26:00.000-05:00Thanks, Laura. Really needed some entertainment t...Thanks, Laura. Really needed some entertainment this morning.<BR/><BR/>The best part was where we are all "self proclaimed unschoolers". Ah. Yes. As opposed to ..... what? Certified unschoolers, licensed unschoolers?<BR/><BR/>Touch an educator where you will and you will find the indoctrination ('brainwashing' would be pejorative, wouldn't it). It is somehow inferior and dismissive if it'sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165246999963335752006-12-04T10:43:00.000-05:002006-12-04T10:43:00.000-05:00i just visited susan gets naive's blog...OH.MY.GOS...i just visited susan gets naive's blog...OH.MY.GOSH. you all gotta go check that out!! i almost left a comment...but then i just didn't. i'm like that sometimes...full of words...and then just not. plus, i wasn't in the mood for ganging up on anyone...or getting ganged up on. i'm loosely using some of their terminology btw.laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17219928545078883437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165245984059120322006-12-04T10:26:00.000-05:002006-12-04T10:26:00.000-05:00ren, you know i was thinking the same thing about ...ren, you know i was thinking the same thing about this....that some parents might turn this lovely outing into a FIELD TRIP...yikes. that they might say...kids look over here and let me tell you all about this thing over here that i think you need to know about...no, don't look over there, look over here...no, you cannot stare at the waves and make your own conclusions at the end of the day...laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17219928545078883437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165159742370156962006-12-03T10:29:00.000-05:002006-12-03T10:29:00.000-05:00I've got several stories about unschoolers doing w...I've got several stories about unschoolers doing well in college. But part of me cringes at using them in the spotlight because it's pacifying fears for people that haven't let go of the idea that college is somehow "better".<BR/><BR/>An unschooler in college is a different creature all together. They are there for their own reasons, they are there out of pure choice and they know it is just Ren Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12017460071971677808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165155281523115742006-12-03T09:14:00.000-05:002006-12-03T09:14:00.000-05:00Susan, you might want to just understand that you ...Susan, you might want to just understand that you mentioned unschooling to serious unschoolers, and then don't only do you not have any grasp at all on what it is, but don't value it at all. And *then* you are hugely defensive about your own schooling and schooling decisions to boot. I mean, really, Eleu didn't tell you you were deficient at all, just that you wouldn't know what you might have CGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04542303804886924280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165115014029904972006-12-02T22:03:00.000-05:002006-12-02T22:03:00.000-05:00For goodness sake...I only wanted to leave a nice ...For goodness sake...<BR/>I only wanted to leave a nice comment on a blog that I thought was interesting. I didn't want to get preached at.<BR/>I don't like being told that I am in some way defective because my parents stuck with convention and sent me to school. I received a well-rounded education and when I became an adult, I followed the paths that were of interest to me. Nothing wrong with Susan Gets Nativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00216170589750418861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165105379913376112006-12-02T19:22:00.000-05:002006-12-02T19:22:00.000-05:00SGN:"Eleutheros: I'm sorry. I don't understand wha...SGN:"Eleutheros: I'm sorry. I don't understand what you meant. I didn't think vaccinations were being discussed. I "short-circuited" you? What did you mean?"<BR/><BR/>It's an example to illustrate the point. I don't know, maybe it's just an unschooling thing now of days, I'm pretty out of touch.<BR/><BR/>I'm not one of them, but you surely know people who do not vaccinate their children. How Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165034176336453702006-12-01T23:36:00.000-05:002006-12-01T23:36:00.000-05:00I obviously DON'T get unschooling. All I know is ...I obviously DON'T get unschooling. <BR/>All I know is that I made these children, and it's my duty and pleasure to help them find their way in the world. I personally don't care if they turn out to be doctors or farmers or models. I want them to be happy. Period.<BR/>Question: In unschooling, what happens if a child wants to go for a career that requires college? And if they have never beenSusan Gets Nativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00216170589750418861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165003460597124722006-12-01T15:04:00.000-05:002006-12-01T15:04:00.000-05:00I love you la!I love you la!CGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04542303804886924280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1165000133148726722006-12-01T14:08:00.000-05:002006-12-01T14:08:00.000-05:00i could say an enormous amount about unschooling. ...i could say an enormous amount about unschooling. but what i was left with from this post was the last comment about what we value. and what i'm thinking right now in this moment is how much i value getting to read this blog today. that's it. sometimes, i just don't go much deeper than that.laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17219928545078883437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7977441.post-1164981148283323102006-12-01T08:52:00.000-05:002006-12-01T08:52:00.000-05:00Susan:" I am already teaching them in much the way...Susan:" I am already teaching them in much the way unschooling works"<BR/><BR/>Our household is also radical, rabid, lunatic fringe unschoolers.<BR/><BR/>Your comment caused my brain to short circuit for a moment.<BR/><BR/>Do you know people who don't vaccinate their children? Can you get your mind around someone who vaccinates their children saying, "We vaccinate our children in much the way Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com